Lucifer, Satan, NIV
(1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you  this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.
NIV Reader, can you say to the "lord" OUT LOUD,
"Oh, lord, Thank you for giving me the NIV.
It is proper to call Jesus a fallen creature.
Jesus and Lucifer are the same.
Thank you, father."
If you can, the lord and father
you are praying to is--SATAN.
If you cannot say this, you need to
your perverted "bible". Don't even use it to "help" you.
Get a King James Bible so you can have the true word of God.
This is very serious.
On 10/28/99 I received an e-mail in response to this article which may prove instructive to others.
READER: ...It is because of your articles on the King James Bible that I went out and purchased one and now read it at the expense of my NIV bible. Today, however, I decided to look more closely at the accusations made against the NIV. What caused this decision was the article on your site that stated that the NIV called satan, Jesus or vice versa. I thought to myself, "Man! Is the NIV that blatantly blasphemous and people are still reading it"?
...My first observation was that in the center of the King James Bible, where my commentary is, and yes I do have the Authorized King James Version and not the New King James, it said that the word lucifer literally means day star.
MY RESPONSE: [Three] problems: (1) you are looking at a "commentary" not the Bible. You cannot define the Bible by a commentary. (2) Many of the "commentaries" found in the Bibles you buy today come from the same folks who write the new versions and so the commentaries disagree with the Bible text and agree with new versions. (3) Lucifer does NOT mean day star. In fact DAY STAR is another name for Jesus Christ so now you've got a commentary that calls Lucifer Jesus ONE MORE TIME. See II Peter 1:9 [in the King James Bible] to see that the day star is Jesus Christ.
READER: Can't morning star be the same? And even though Jesus is also called the Morning Star, it is in caps as I have written it where morning star refering to satan is in small letters.
MY RESPONSE: Problem--if you had read the article more carefully, you would have seen that the NIV refers to Jesus as the "morning star" in lower case letters also. Go back and look at the article at http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm.
READER: To go farther in my study I actually looked up the work lucifer and here is what I found.lucifer: Middle English (meaning) morning star, fallen rebel archangel, the devil
Old English (from Latin) the morning star, from lucifer, light bearing from lue-lux light
MY RESPONSE: Lucifer [supposedly] means "light bearer" [so in this case it seems] they've mixed truth with error. You should NEVER go outside of the Bible to prove something wrong. The Bible stands on its own.
READER: My point from these definitions is: If the KJV commentary defines, literally, that lucifer means day star and that the definition of lucifer found in the dictionary means morning star as well as the devil etc. can't the term lucifer and morning star be used interchangably without it being in error?
MY RESPONSE: Your commentary is in error, not the Bible.
READER: I do understand your concern and it is some what valid. However, anyone who is in Christ knows without a doubt that He is the true Morning Star and the Savior of all who come to HIm. I don't think that in this instance we need fear the NIV version.
MY RESPONSE: The purpose of our section concerning the NIV is not to convince but rather to provide information. Whether folks agree or not is not the point.
[Additional comments by tracy--the reader here says anyone in Christ knows without a doubt that Jesus is the morning star. Is that so? How do they know? Only the Bible can tell you that information. If they have an NIV they can't know for sure. In fact, the NIV only renders confusion...and we know who authors confusion. The evil found in the NIV cannot be glossed over. Yea, in this instance we must reject the NIV if on no other grounds--though there be many.]
FROM BRO. GARY:
Tracy.........having read on your sight that the NIV bible replaced Lucifer with the name morning star inspired me to do some research. I have known of the many many faults in all new bibles other than the old KJV, and we don't have to look hard to find them, this was the icing on the cake. I am and have been for a long time a KJV only man.
When I looked up the name Lucifer in my new edition of Webster's dictionary, the definition of Lucifer was morning star. As we know, Jesus Christ the Lord is the morning star. Knowing by faith and study the KJV is the pure word of God, and does not contradict itself, I knew that this could not be right. Looking in an older (1960's) encyclopedia, Lucifer does not mean morning star, as the dictionary tells us, nor does it mean day star. Lucifer was a name given to the planet Venus, by ancient astromaners in Latin, meaning as you pointed out, light bearer. Venus will sometimes appear as a morning star, however, it is not a star at all, but a planet that reflects the light of the sun. I hope you see the difference here. These folks knew that this was a planet body, rather than an actual star. How well does this fit satan? Very well indeed....because he is now the phony star, not the morning star. So to tell us that Lucifer means morning star is not accurate at all, because it is only half of the truth, which means it is a lie, and satan is the father of liars. We know and should not be surprised that satan will transform himself into an angel of light, but, he most definitly is not an angel of light, just as venus appears as a star, but it has no light of it's own, and is not a star at all. I hope this clarifies this with folks that may believe that Lucifer means morning star. Thank you for your time, in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour...
RE: NIV - JESUS IS SATAN...AGAIN...
Praise Jesus for your faithfulness in putting together your website.
I was reading your article on the NIV swapping places with Satan in Isaiah 14:12. I have been aware of this for a few years and was glad to see you cover it. But are you aware that the NIV does it again in the New Testement as well?
In the KJV Jesus identifies himself as the cornerstone. However, the NIV changes it to CAPSTONE. The capstone is the top of the pyramid - not the cornerstone in which the foundation is layed. In the New Age movement, the capstone - the Mercaba, the top of the pyramid, is the source where they channel Nimrod, the all seeing eye - into their third eye. The capstone is the symbol of Nimrod in many cults and in FreeMasonry which is thier god... a false god - satan. The NIV again trades places with Jesus and satan - albeit ever so subtly.
- In Christ
ONE READER TOOK EXCEPTION TO THE ABOVE EMAIL-------Original Message----- Date: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: To Tracy - Error on Web Site >Tracy, > >I have found an error on a reader's comments to your site that you have >posted. http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm > >The reader said: > >Re: NIV - Jesus is satan...again... > >Dear Sirs, >Praise Jesus for your faithfulness in putting together your website. >I was reading your article on the NIV swapping places with Satan in Isaiah >14:12. I have been aware of this for a few years and was glad to see you >cover it. But are you aware that the NIV does it again in the New Testement >as well? >In the KJV Jesus identifies himself as the cornerstone. However, the NIV >changes it to CAPSTONE. The capstone is the top of the pyramid - not the >cornerstone in which the foundation is layed. In the New Age movement, the >capstone - the Mercaba, the top of the pyramid, is the source where they >channel Nimrod, the all seeing eye - into their third eye. The capstone is >the symbol of Nimrod in many cults and in FreeMasonry which is thier god... >a false god - satan. The NIV again trades places with Jesus and satan - >albeit ever so subtly. >- In Christ > > >Nowhere could I find this to be true. I looked up all the verses that I >could find (using the Online Bible) in the NIV to find "capstone" in replace >of cornerstone. I found no reference to this. For one, the reader spelled >cornerstone as one word. In the KJV it is two words. And second, they also >misspelled "Testament" and "their". Minor I know, but I question where they >are coming from. > >Corner Stone: >Job 38:6* Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the >corner stone thereof; >Isa 28:16* Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a >foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure >foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. >Eph 2:20* And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, >Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; >1Pe 2:6* Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in >Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him >shall not be confounded. > >Look up these verses in the NIV and they all say "Corner Stone". > >If I'm in error, please show me or otherwise it would be best to remove this >error from your site. It's not a point of contention, but it's important to >have the truth available and not have false views being pontificated by >children that don't understand. If it is there, be sure that I will run it >up the flagpole of the KJV to find that it is so. That is the base of truth. > >Take care, D
My response:Dear Friend: I don't know where you got your information but when I looked it up on line there were loads of "capstone" entries in the NIV. In fact, I have a hardcopy NIV for research purposes and also found capstone. The article remains as is. This is what I found in one online Bible. "Cornerstone" is in brackets [ ] on some of them but in the NIV cornerstone is not in the text it is in the footnotes. Psalm 118:22 The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; (Whole Chapter: Psalm 118 In context: Psalm 118:21-23) Zechariah 4:7 "What [ Or Who] are you, O mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of `God bless it! God bless it!'" (Whole Chapter: Zechariah 4 In context: Zechariah 4:6-8) Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone [ Or cornerstone] ; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes' Psalm 118:22,23] ? (Whole Chapter: Matthew 21 In context: Matthew 21:41-43) Mark 12:10 Haven't you read this scripture: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone [ Or cornerstone] ; (Whole Chapter: Mark 12 In context: Mark 12:9-11) Luke 20:17 Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone [ Or cornerstone] ' [ Psalm 118:22] ? (Whole Chapter: Luke 20 In context: Luke 20:16-18) Acts 4:11 He is "`the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. [ Or cornerstone] ' [ Psalm 118:22] (Whole Chapter: Acts 4 In context: Acts 4:10-12) 1 Peter 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, [ Or cornerstone] " [ Psalm 118:22] (Whole Chapter: 1 Peter 2 In context: 1 Peter 2:6-8) for Jesus' sake, tracy -- http://www.jesus-is-lord.com ...I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Ezekiel 2:4, 6
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